Thursday, 19 March 2020


Thursday, 27 February 2020

Don't divide us


You are probably aware that the Morrison Government is trying to institute what they call a Religious Discrimination Bill, which actually seeks to allow the more religious to discriminate against, and indeed, moderately ‘intimidate or vilify’ the less religious, non-religious and people of other religions.
It is arguably the most divisive legislation ever put forward. It must be stopped.

A broad campaign begins today, sponsored by many Freethought groups from around Australia.

https://dontdivideus.com.au/


Related material

  1. See joint submission by Sydney Atheists and Atheist Foundation Australia below
  2. Associate Professor of Constitutional Law Luke Beck: https://www.smh.com.au/national/religious-discrimination-bill-backfires-on-christians-20200218-p541vz.html
  3. Luke Beck: https://www.smh.com.au/national/religious-discrimination-bill-porter-must-fix-it-or-ditch-it-20200225-p54461.html
  4. Former High Court Justice Michael Kirby: https://www.smh.com.au/national/religious-freedom-bill-will-divide-australians-not-unite-us-20200225-p544bz.html
  5. Michael Kirby: https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/religious-freedom-bill-privileges-faith-over-other-human-rights/12004222
  6. Michael Kirby: https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/kirby-says-religious-discrimination-laws-a-weapon-against-non-believers-20200226-p544ib.html
  7. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMvz6uxM-j8


On Saturday 28th March Sydney Atheists will host a conference for the leaders of about a dozen Freethought organisations from around Australia, working toward common goals. Whilst you will not be able to attend the conference in its entirety, you can book to listen to three speakers including Luke Beck from 5.00pm, have an East Asian smorasboard dinner with the various representatives and then attend the entertainment in the evening which will pit a panel of Sydney Atheists against leaders of other Freethought organisations in a battle dealing with philosophy and religion. Bookings are essential at https://www.trybooking.com/BIJAR The cost of this event which should finish at around 9.00pm is $35.00. Any profits from the evening will go toward the RDB or Census 2021 campaigns.
That aside, if you would like to donate to the campaign against this Bill, you can do so by depositing into our account with your name and the letters RDB: Our BSB is 112 879. Our Account Number is 410 136 189
Alternatively, you can donate through the dontdivideus.com.au website.

All of these articles should help you to compose correspondence to you Federal Member of Parliament and to Senators that represent your state.

If you do nothing more, please email or write to them stating that you are vehemently opposed to the Religious Discrimination Bill because you see it as highly divisive and destructive.


Wednesday, 29 January 2020

The following Joint Submission regarding the Second Exposure Draft of the Religious Discrimination Bill was initially composed by one of our members and has been edited by the committees of Sydney Atheists and the Atheist Foundation of Australia:


Religious Discrimination Bill – Second Exposure Draft
Submission type: Non-Profit – Atheist Foundation Of Australia and Sydney Atheists
Confidentiality: For Public Release

The Atheist Foundation of Australia is an organisation that represents atheists and other people without religious beliefs across the country.
Our aims include:
·                To encourage and to provide a means of expression for informed free-thought on       philosophical and social issues.
·                To safeguard the rights of all non-religious people.
·                To serve as a focal point for the fellowship of non-religious people.
We put forward this submission with the hope that it will lead to a society in which everyone can live harmoniously. In providing this submission, we aim not only to safeguard protections for non-believers but also those who also hold religious beliefs, as these people could just as easily fall foul of the proposed legislation depending on their degree of religiosity.
Overall, the Religious Discrimination Bill appears to be very weak in protecting those who are irreligious or moderately religious.  There is also a sense of double standards, in that some religious people and institutions are permitted to hire staff, enrol students, serve or treat clients/customers/patients, and rent properties on the basis of their religious beliefs. Conversely, there is no provision that people of no religion can insist or prefer to hire staff who are secular, give preference to customers or students who are atheist, or refuse to rent out properties to those who are of religious persuasion.  Thus, point 20 and point 21 in the explanatory notes are not well served. 
Some key specific concerns are raised below.

Concerns arising from the summary of amendments to the bills since the first exposure draft

1. Religious bodies are now expressly able to give preference to persons that share their religion (compared with people not of that religion)’

This presents a double standard, as secular or atheist bodies, are not provided with the right to give preference to persons who share their non-beliefs in religion compared to people who are of religious persuasion.
A more extreme body of a particular religion could likewise discriminate against persons who are more moderate in that religion.
2. The Bill now expressly provides that religious bodies do not discriminate by engaging in conduct to avoid injury to the religious susceptibilities of adherents of their faith.’

The Bill does not expressly provide that non-religious, secular or atheist bodies do not discriminate by engaging in conduct to avoid injury to secular susceptibilities of adherents to secular, rational or atheist lifestyles.  It presents a double standard – in that there are no protections for bodies and individuals who do not subscribe to the beliefs of religious entities, for example, the LGBTIQ community.
3. Religious hospitals, aged care facilities and accommodation providers can take faith into account in staffing decisions.  This includes giving preference to employees of the same religion as the relevant facility (when compared with people not of that religion).’

There is no provision for secular and atheist hospitals, aged care facilities and accommodation providers to take non-religion into account in staffing decisions and to give preference to employees without religious convictions.  If religious hospitals, aged care facilities and accommodation providers receive any taxpayer-funded support, they should not be permitted to give preference to employees of the same particular religious beliefs as the relevant facility. Indeed, regardless of their funding sources, they should not be allowed to perform preferential or discriminatory actions at all.
4. Religious camps and conference centres will now be able to take faith into account when deciding whether to provide accommodation, in accordance with a publicly available policy.  This includes giving preference to people or groups who are of the same faith as the camp or conference centre.’

As with religious hospitals, aged care facilities and accommodation, there is no provision for non-religious camps and conference centres (such as the Sydney International Convention Centre) to take non-faith into account when deciding to provide accommodation and to give preference to people or groups who are secular or atheist.  This presents a double standard, as non-religious camps and conference centres would still be obliged to provide accommodation to those belonging to religious groups.
5. ‘The conscientious objection provisions now expressly make clear that they do not permit discrimination (but relate to rules that apply to health practitioners at work). An objection must be to a procedure, not a person.  The list of health professions has been narrowed to medicine, midwifery, nursing, pharmacy and psychology.’

This could have severe and detrimental impacts on individuals who have limited access and choice of health services and health practitioners, such as those living in rural or remote areas.  If the health practitioner is the only one in the area and refuses to provide treatment or services on the basis of their religious beliefs, patients could suffer greatly.  Apart from the obvious problem if a pharmacist refuses to provide emergency contraception because of their religious beliefs, it is conceivable that a breast cancer survivor could be denied breast reconstruction because the local health practitioner considers it is “God’s will” and that she should learn to live with her altered appearance.
6. ‘The Bill now makes clear that a court will now need to consider whether a person of the same religion as the religious body or person could reasonably consider the act to be in accordance with the doctrines, tenets, beliefs or teachings of that religion’.

This suggests that the behaviour of a person who professes to be of a certain religion will be protected if they can find someone of authority in that faith to support them. However, the same behaviour from a secular or atheist person would not be acceptable and would be considered discriminatory or illegal.  This presents an unacceptable double standard.
The statement regarding a court’s consideration also calls into question the consistency within a religion. If for example, we were to ask ten people of a particular religion what “God” is, or what various scriptures meant, or what set of specific beliefs the religious group holds, we would likely receive ten different answers.

 Concerns arising from the explanatory notes of the second exposure draft

7. Point 5: All Australians, regardless of their religious belief or activity, should be able to participate fully in our society. 

By allowing religious persons or institutions to choose who to employ, serve or enrol on the basis of religious belief, this Bill restricts those with lesser or no religious beliefs or whose lives do not conform with particular religious tenets. It prevents people from participating fully in society.
8. Point 7: The Bill aims to ensure all people are able to hold and manifest their faith or lack thereof in public without interference or intimidation. 

However, when religious people manifest their faith by protesting outside of clinics that provide abortion services and intimidate patients with pictures of foetuses, or impose their faith on others by publicly preaching or evangelising, this serves to intimidate people who are not of these particular faiths.  The Bill does not provide any protection to the latter.
9. Point 8:  This Bill will bring legislative protections for religious belief and activity to the same standard as those already afforded under federal anti-discrimination law to discrimination on the basis of age, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, intersex status, family responsibilities, marital or relationship status, pregnancy or potential pregnancy, breastfeeding, race, colour, national or ethnic origin, descent or immigrant status.

Many religions do not accept sexual orientation outside of heterosexuality, gender identity other than cis-gendered identity, or de facto relationship status.  This Bill would legally protect individuals who might invoke a religious defence in their denouncements or discrimination against LGBTIQ individuals, women with children who work and individuals in de facto relationships or same-sex marriage. These are some of the most vulnerable people in our society
10. Point 9: The Bill is intended to promote attitudinal change, to ensure that people are judged on their capacity and ability, rather than on generally unfounded negative stereotypes that some may have about people who hold certain religious beliefs or undertake certain religious activities.

       a.    Bill says nothing about promoting attitudinal change towards those without religious beliefs.  Further, there is no protection for those who are recipients of a religious person’s negative attitudes towards them.  We do not consider it acceptable that a person’s negative attitudes based on their religious beliefs towards others should be protected.
  b.    The statement at Point 9 would suggest that some people may have assumptions about others. What are the statistics for this? What assumptions are valid or invalid? Why should a bill appease such undefined terms?
11. Point 31: That acting ‘in good faith’ in accordance with religious beliefs or religious tenets is not discriminatory.

We strongly disagree with this, as it can serve to intimidate people whose lives do not conform to these religious beliefs.  We consider that the intention does not matter. To say “I acted in good faith” is not a reasonable defence in discriminating against others. The outcome is that the recipient of these religious declarations or actions is offended and/or intimidated.  The outcome is a critical point.
12. Point 32 states “does not discriminate under this Bill by engaging in reasonable conduct intended to meet a need arising out of a person or group’s religious belief or activity …”

We disagree that a person does not discriminate by engaging in ‘reasonable conduct’ intended to meet a need arising out of a person or group’s religious belief.  This is very broad and could easily allow legally protected discrimination against those who do not subscribe to the person’s or group’s religious beliefs. Further, a more extreme religious group could well deny or intimidate a less religious group.
13. Point 33 states that it is unlawful to discriminate on the ground of religious belief or activity in the areas of work, education, access to premises, the provision of goods, services and facilities, accommodation, the disposal of land, sport, membership of clubs (etc).

However: 
a.        There is no protection when a religious group discriminates against others in the same areas.  For example, a Christian church refusing to hire out its premises to a Tai Chi or yoga class if they were to deem those activities to be heretical.
b.        As stated in the point (4) above under the ‘amendments’ section, there is a double standard if religious groups are permitted to hire out their facilities and accommodation to those of the same faith, but secular groups cannot give preference to those who are atheist, rationalists or non-believers.
14.   The frequent use of the phrase “in good faith” appears to be a convenient clause whereby an individual can use religious beliefs as an excuse to vilify others. 

There is nothing to stop someone disingenuously professing a religious belief to allow themselves to say insulting, harassing or intimidating things. At point 39 of the explanatory notes, it states: ‘This will ensure that the ability of people to simply express their genuine religious beliefs in good faith, without malice is not restricted by the operation of any Australian anti-discrimination law, so long as such statements do not harass, threaten, seriously intimidate or vilify a person or group’. This statement appears to allow constant low-grade vilification that can be highly damaging.  An example would be a religious person constantly telling a single mother that she was immoral, or that she would not go to heaven. It opens up to legal dispute contradictory statements. It allows discrimination, and surprisingly, it legislates that the religious can moderately ‘intimidate or vilify’ persons or groups.


The points raised above highlight just small portions of the Bill that we see as anathema to a tolerant and cohesive and society. Whilst this bill apparently endeavours to empower some forms of some religions, it will also empower any and every current and potential cult. This bill is quite likely to cause new, and possibly extreme sectarianism, the likes of which we have never seen before in this country. Rather than social cohesion, it will enable new tribalism causing virtual ghettos.
This Religious Discrimination Bill will likely bring about a situation whereby people will come to mix only with like minds. Frighteningly it may reinforce confirmation bias, whereby people of a particular belief system will only hear the same things over and over again, with no meaningful challenge to their thinking.
It may encourage cognitive dissonance whereby people of a particular persuasion will make excuses in their thinking for obvious inconsistencies, inconsistencies within their scriptures, between their scriptures and observations, and inconsistencies between their scriptures and the outside world. Religious isolation will likely lead to social isolation and breed contempt by the isolated, toward others.
The Atheist Foundation of Australia considers that this proposed Bill seeks to empower the more extremes of religion at the expense of those who are moderately religious or those who have no religion.
A fair, equitable, just and secular society would not permit new legislation to be passed which would allow for more injustice, bigotry and discrimination.
As such, we advocate that the Religious Discrimination Bill be withdrawn.


Atheist Foundation of Australia and Sydney Atheists

Friday, 15 November 2019

Being raised in an extreme cult

Dave Whitaker was brought up in the cult run by Anne Hamilton-Byrne known as the Family. The cult was active from the late 60s and became well known after a police raid on one of their properties in 1987. About 12 illegally adopted children were removed by the police. Dave's mother was one of the "aunties" who ran the property where the children were kept. Dave's father, a Melbourne psychiatrist was instrumental in helping Hamilton-Byrne set up the cult. Dave broke from the cult in 1985 and appeared in a recent documentary film and ABC TV series
Dave will fly in from Melbourne for this most intriguing of talks.


https://www.meetup.com/sydneyatheists/events/pqbqkqyzqbrb/

Entry to this event will be $5.00 for supporter members of Sydney Atheists and $10.00 for non-supporter attendees. Annual Supporter membership is only $20. To become a supporter member, please go to: http://www.sydneyatheists.org/p/donations-and-membership.html

Our talk events are held at 7.00pm in the Function Room at Club Redfern:

2nd Floor, 159 Redfern St
REDFERN, NSW 2000

Sunday, 27 October 2019

How religion affects politics and government policies in Australia



Friday 8th November at 7.00pm

John Dowd AO QC graduated from Law at Sydney University. John was leader of the Liberal Party in NSW from 1981 to 1983. He was the NSW Attorney General from 1988 to 1991. The Independent Commission against Corruption was established under his watch. After politics, John was appointed to the Supreme Court in NSW where he served for ten years.
John has also served as Chairman of the International Commission of Jurists, Vice President of the International Court of Justice, Chancellor of Southern Cross University, Protection Ambassador, Director and President of ActionAid Australia. John established The Justice Campaign in support of human rights and justice. He is currently the President of the International Commission of Jurists Australia.

John will address the following "Religion decades ago had an effect on which political parties members joined for historical reasons. Religions usually have moral codes attached to them and this affects the performance of members of Parliament. As religions decline, this creates a problem for the training in moral codes. It was to deal with the power of the pulpit and also the pressures which churches have and have had to have religious views enforced as offences by the state."

Entry to this event will be $5.00 for supporter members of Sydney Atheists and $10.00 for non-supporter attendees. Annual Supporter membership is only $20. To become a supporter member, please go to: http://www.sydneyatheists.org/p/donations-and-membership.html

Our talk events are held at the Function Room at Club Redfern:

2nd Floor, 159 Redfern St
REDFERN, NSW 2000

RSVP https://www.meetup.com/sydneyatheists/events/pqbqkqyzpblb/

Friday, 4 October 2019

Do beliefs beat facts or vice versa?















Is being right enough to win? Dan will present a challenging discussion this evening based on a wealth of experience - an evening not to be missed.

Dan Gregory was a comedian performing with Austen Tayshus and otherwise doing standup comedy in the UK and USA.

He is the Co-founder and CEO of the Impossible Institute. In conjunction with his partner Kieran Flanagan, they are the strategic and creative team behind the most successful new product launch in Australian history and have applied their considerable experience to social change programs for the United Nations in Singapore, to category re-inventions and innovation initiatives for the likes of Coca-Cola, Unilever, Bayer and News Corp. and to leadership development programs across Australia, Asia, Europe and the USA for organisations in categories as diverse as Banking & Finance, Education, Technology, Pharmaceuticals, Real Estate & Retail.

Dan and Kieran are the co-authors of three books:
• Forever Skills - The 12 skills to future proof yourself, your team and your kids
• Selfish Scared & Stupid - A treatise on Human Behaviour asserting that Behaviour Change should align with human nature rather than fighting it
• Shift - An analysis of future trends in Business, Society, Communications & Technology

They also write for Success Magazine & CEO Magazine in the USA and are regulars on ABC TV’s Gruen Series, Sunrise on Channel 7 and Sky Business News.

Voted by Meetings & Conventions USA as two of the “Top 25 C-Suite speakers to watch”, both Kieran and Dan wow their audiences with a mixture of commercial acumen, creative insight and the kind of comedic wit you’d expect with backgrounds in on-air media and stand up comedy.

The Impossible Institute delivers Keynote Speeches, Training Workshops in Forever Skills (Change, Creativity, Communication & Control) and Leadership Programs as well as facilitating innovative solutions to a huge range of complicated, and often political, problems.

Dan loves playing the Devil's advocate and is also a debate coach.

It is a stroke of good fortune and an honour to have Dan present this evening.

Entry to this event will be $5.00 for supporter members of Sydney Atheists and $10.00 for non supporter attendees. Annual Supporter membership is only $20. To become a supporter member, please go to: http://www.sydneyatheists.org/p/donations-and-membership.html

To buy advance purchase tickets for non financial members, please go to https://www.trybooking.com/BFVWI

Our talk events are held at the Function Room at Club Redfern:

2nd Floor, 159 Redfern St
REDFERN, NSW 2000

Tuesday, 27 August 2019

Alteration to the Freedom of Religion Act or Religious Discrimination Act

In March 2017, the Liberal Party attempted to change the laws with regard to 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975, which states:

             (1)  It is unlawful for a person to do an act, otherwise than in private, if:
                     (a)  the act is reasonably likely, in all the circumstances, to offend, insult, humiliate or intimidate another person or a group of people; and
                     (b)  the act is done because of the race, colour or national or ethnic origin of the other person or of some or all of the people in the group.
Had these changes been brought about - purportedly in the name of free speech - some people could say things that others might reasonably consider to be disrespectful and discriminatory on the basis of their race, colour or national or ethnic origin.

Some elements of the government now look to do the opposite in certain regards. They would seek to protect religions from offense, insult, humiliation and intimidation. Furthermore, they would seek to enable religions to discriminate against those of different persuasions. This would be seen by the passive observer as the height of hypocrisy.

Belief in religions - as with ideology – are often opinionated and dynamic, but most importantly changeable, whereas “race, colour or national or ethnic origin” are fixed. As such, opinions, religions and ideologies are not deserving of the same protections as race, colour or national or ethnic origins.

The Folau case has highlighted the difficulties that changes to Freedom of Religion would cause. Israel Folau has ostensibly voiced his religious opinion that a vast array of people would go to hell. This despite an agreement with his employer that he would not voice his opinions in public. In so doing he could alienate the very people who patronise him, including other players, audiences and sponsors. This is not to take into account the harm that he might cause, including the offense to the unchangeable qualities of people in the LGBTI community. The Australian Christian Lobby was quick to defend Israel Folau.

On the other hand, Israel Folau’s father Eni of the Truth of Jesus Christ Church, believes the "everlasting torture and doom" of hell awaits most Christians, with Catholicism seen as "the synagogue of Satan" and "masked devil worship". Israel Folau’s cousin Josiah wrote to a parent who attended one of the church's services that "any devout Catholic person IS NOT A SAVED CHRISTIAN WHATSOEVER.
"Look at Catholic doctrine, almost 100% of it is false and is filled with lies,"

After meeting with the headmaster, Josiah “discontinued” his employment with the Catholic school where he was a teacher. The Australian Christian Lobby has not come out in support of Josiah Folau. The case of Israel and Josiah both involve people who have caused their employers discomfort. They are free to think whatever they like. They are also free to say whatever they like. However, there are consequences when said in the public domain.

If the government were to stop the ability to question, criticise, nay use terminology that the aggrieved would consider offensive or insulting - in the hope of insulating certain types of Christianity - then they would unwittingly protect from perceived offence and insult what many might consider to be ridiculous belief systems including Jehovah's Witnesses, Exclusive Brethren, Scientology and Islam. These religions – particularly in their more fundamental forms - are just a few that run counter to reasonable, acceptable and moral behaviours as viewed by the vast majority of Australians. Indeed, many of their practices run counter to the intentions and laws of the land. Many of their practices run counter to appropriate medical practice, educational enlightenment, organisational transparency and psychological well-being.

Of far greater concern to most Australians, were the government to enact laws banning criticism, offense or insult of religions, the government could unwittingly allow the Trojan horse of Islam to instigate blasphemy laws like those in Saudi Arabia, Iran and various other countries. After all, why should any form of Christianity be more or less protected than any other religion, regardless of how ridiculous such religions might seem.

It is imperative therefore that religious laws, which are already overly protective of religious practices, not be granted any further dispensation.